Topic: Discussion for potential changes to Awards process

Here's a thread to discuss potential changes to how Awards are decided.

Euan suggested those on the Awards committee exclude themselves from the running for Awards.

Other ideas are also welcome.

Discuss.

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I'd be curious to actually know how many people would be willing to discount themselves from an award to serve on the awards committee to decide who else should get the award instead.

Nice in theory, I just don't necessarily feel it's fair to the committee to ask them to exclude themselves (nor to the Awards officer).

I tried to organize a rule that someone in the committee step out for any category they were nominated for, but with purely open nominations that would have made any decision very difficult as most everyone was nominated for many categories.

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Here's are some thoughts I had...

Why not assemble different award committees for each award so that way each member only needs to exclude themselves from one award?

(As an extension to the above) Why not have a group of committee members but not decide where to place them until nominations occur, i.e. if a member doesn't get nominated for a certain award then they can be on that committee.

(Again as an extension) Why not rotate committee members regularly (i.e. you can't be on a committee two years in a row, or the same committee two years in a row) so that there's a level of fairness for all involved?

~Robert

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Robert makes some good points. A pool of potential committee members who are only placed into committees that will vote on an award they themselves haven't been nominated for seems like a good idea to me. And I also like the idea of rotating the committee members regularly.



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What do people think about a site-wide vote with a run-off if required?

- Silent

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Although that does sound like the most democratic way to handle this, there is the risk that certain players are (fairly) unfamiliar with one or more of the candidates. They would therefore be unable to say whether that unknown candidate should win or not. Although you could argue that the best candidates have the most interaction and are therefore the best-known, it would then turn into something which is about quantity more than quality.



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Awards are always a messy business. As this one ran, nobody nominated themselves for any award, nor did anyone vote for themselves for any award. We are talking about systems that basically bring about that same solution. The people that play the most sims make sense as the best for a committee, since they are most familiar with the sims. Given I pushed for West Star this year and I've only read their site once. They have had a very robust year in terms of dedication and posting through, which seemed like good justificaiton to me. There is always a practical and a subjective side to awards, too much of either is inherrrantly unfair. I don't have issues with how Jason ran the awards, and I'm happy to put aside my PoTY award to say it.

-Kevin

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I don't think anyone is taking issue with how this past year's awards went. I'm pleased with the results, especially since I nominated Amanda Bond for GM of the year disregarding the fact that she was on the awards committee, I stated my reasons, and then she won it for those same reasons.

But I feel there's a certain awkwardness about the awards committee having to decide on whether to give themselves awards and my impression is that the general reaction would be "let's try to avoid this in the future". I'm happy with who the winners turned out to be, though I think inarguably there's a general feeling that there should be a separation between judge and candidate as there is in so many events in our lives, i.e. Sports, Olympics, TV Show Competitions, etc.

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Those are great ideas, Robert. My only concern would be in the management of 4 different committees rather than one. It was difficult enough to get talks going/agreement between the three of us. If you multiply that times four I'm not sure we'd ever get awards out. big_smile

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Well part of the process is organization and I imagine it being our first attempt contributed to the time it took. But if we can get enough volunteers I don't foresee a problem. I think sim of the year, since it's for a sim and not a person, could afford to have the entirety of the teams vote as a group on that item.

That being said, that would mean 3 committees. Overall that'd make 9 positions total, which is only 6 more than the current, unless you count yourself as being in each committee and then it's only 4 more positions more than current. I don't think that's difficult to pull off.

As far as actually being able to DO the talks, it's still 3 people within each committee that need to talk to themselves, not the whole. Then for the sim of the year it's the whole. Could probably spend less time talking (at that number) and just run a quick vote after discussion.

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Yep probably (about the quick vote thing). And hopefully by then Euan will have a way for us to get a private forum on here so we don't have to look "offsite" for a discussion board.

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I think we should start discussions on the Award system. I'm personally all for voting for awards, but I think last year there were too many....I hate to say nominations. But using the ranked pairs (any system I think) there were too many to put into order. Especially when using a tablet or a cell phone to vote. That being said.... Ideas? Thoughts? Suggestions? Anything?

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I like the idea of selecting PoY from people who would have won Player of the Month.

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Actually that's an idea I had... Creating a "Of the Month" Awards. Basically (for example) in October there would be forum polls on who/what would  be November's ______ of the Month. Some that I have seem are: Player/Member, Female Character, Male Character, Couple of the Month, Thread of the month... Not saying we have to have those, just examples. Definitely would have Player and Sim. Then once it came around for yearly awards, only those who have won would be eligible.

But that would require a committee or something to put forth those for the monthly poll.

Just an idea bouncing around from visiting other sites.

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Do you mean sim-level Awards or site-level Awards?

I realize that I am terribly negligent about sim-level prizes. There have been a lot of great posts in my sims but usually I forget to give them the right praise. I would like to improve even this type of award (for example giving nomination powers to the players, or something like that...)

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Site. Sim are totally up to the SL's.

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Then I must absolutely do something to improve my poor award-giving abilities. My players deserve it.

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I think monthly awards might be too often?

Also, if sim level awards become the eligibility criteria for a site level award, it'd impact negatively on those who play in sims where there are less awards given generally.

I do agree re nominations - maybe we can limit how many people you can nominate for a particular award? Say three per award or somesuch??

Deborah

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I was thinking that monthly ones, might would be. Just my rambling thoughts! lol

2-3 per person per awards sounds doable to me.

(It would nice to get the nominations started earlier this year to circumvent the issue we had last year)