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Recon platoon set. Now we wait till I get GM access of this subforum
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Recon platoon set. Now we wait till I get GM access of this subforum
I was just reading an article on the M24, and it wasn't introduced until Dec 1944, so I'll have to back-up and regroup my tank choice. I will continue my cavalry tanker role and go with the M5A1 Stuart Light Tank.
My TC is S/SGT Frank Goodin, a veteran of both the Tunisia and Italy campaigns, where he originally commanded an M3 Stuart. He likes the improved M5A1 Stuart from Cadillac, and his driver likes the idea of driving a "Caddy" in the war. The Stuart has improved turret rails, allowing full sidewalls of spare track links to be carried on both side of the turret. She also has had the rear mudguards and side skirts removed, but has retained the front mudguards in place.
Out of curiosity at this point in the war did the 37mm have any special ammo to give it decent armor pen? Or we'll what we're the cavalry tank strategies when faced with armor?
I'm actually very interested as tinker tanks were never really something I studied outside of the pacific theatre where they were competitive against Japanese armor
Also I think that makes the Jacksons our most armored vehicles. This'll be fun
So Cadillacs had their same like. "Oh it's a caddy must be good" back in the 40s as well? Interesting
On another note. Technical Sergeant Drake, also a veteran of North Africa and Italy, is. I'm going for the Unit's supply sergeant to work with my "perk" Which I'm calling "If it's not nailed down" So I can get you guys whatever, spare MG's? Got ya. Special Ammo? Got ya. Medicine? Got ya. Chocolate? Got you too. His tank, Duchess is equipped with the hedgerow cutter on the four, spare tracks are mounted around the hull as extra armor and it carries enough MGs to make a Vietnam Era M113 blush.
The primary issue we'll have is even the 90mm M3 gun has a lower pen over range than the tigers 88mm, which was originally fixed with tungsten core AP shells, but the US was constantly in short supply of these so. We'll most likely need to. In the words of Colonel William Prescott. Not fire till we see the whites of their eyes.
To drop some knowledge on you. Here's a copy paste from based Wiki about the Jackson's gun.
The M36 tank destroyer used an M10A1 chassis (the M36B1 used an M4A3 Sherman chassis, while the M36B2 used an M10 chassis) mounting a large, open-topped turret mounting a 90 mm gun M3. The gunner aimed the gun using the M76F telescope. The 90 mm gun M3 was the standardized version of the experimental T7, a derivative of the 90 mm gun developed as a vehicle-mounted antitank weapon. The M36 carried 47 rounds of main gun ammunition, 11 of which were stowed in the hollow counterweight, while 36 rounds were stowed in the sponsons. For combat use, the 90mm gun M3 could fire five types of ammunition:
M77 AP-T shot
T33 APC-T shot
M82 APC/HE-T shell
M71 HE shell
T30E16 (M304) HVAP-T shot
The M82 armor-piercing capped shot was the main round used for engaging enemy tanks. It had a large explosive filler to increase damage after penetration. It was capable of penetrating 129 mm of armor angled at 30 degrees from the vertical at 500 yards (457 m) and 122 mm of armor at 1,000 yards (914 m) The T30E16 HVAP shot was capable of penetrating 221 mm of armor angled at 30 degrees from the vertical at 500 yards, and 199 mm of armor at 1,000 yards. The T30E16 HVAP round had difficulty with the highly sloped glacis plate of the German Panther tank, so the T33 AP shot was developed to solve this problem. The T33 shot was a normal substitute standard M77 armor piercing shot that was heat-treated to improve its hardness and fitted with a ballistic "windshield" to improve its drag characteristics. The T33 and T30E16 were only issued in very small numbers towards the end of World War II. The M71 high explosive shell was used for indirect fire, or engaging enemy infantry, antitank guns, light vehicles, or other soft targets.
From what I have read, the 37mm was decent against light Axis armor, but no match for the heavier tanks. The plan is, when faced with a severe butt-kickin', get the hell outta dodge and let the MBTs have a go at them! We find 'em, y'all shoot 'em.
Funny you used the term tinker-tanks, which is what we called our M551A1 Sheridans. Made almost completely of aluminum, they "could" be made amphibious by raising a collapsible skirt tucked away around the hull, and raising a forward panel in front of the driver. The tracks propelled the vehicle in water mode. We actually swam one in training, which was a little unnerving. The TC said, if for some reason the vehicle sank, we were not to try and get out before it hit the bottom of the pond. As a student of history, I recalled the modified Allied M4s that were similarly outfitted for D-Day, and how almost all of the them ended up on the bottom of the Channel. Fat chance!
The big difference in the M5A1 and an M551A1 was the main gun. For the M5A1, you had a 37mm popgun. The M551A1 had a 152mm main gun which could deliver a conventional round (55 pounds each) accurately for 2,000+ yards, or an AT missile for a classified distance. If you could see it, they said, you could hit it. I was the best gunner in our cavalry squadron, so I got to fire the sole AT missile the army provided us that year (1976). I was rated Distinguished, and enjoyed tank gunnery a bunch. When we did Tank Gunnery, I felt they didn't even have to pay me that year. :-)
I'm not real sure about the 37mm gun, its ammo or its performance/range. Anybody got any intel?
Not a tanker so I have no tank stories to share
But you are indeed correct. I referred to the M5 as a tinker tank for mostly that exact reason... I also played a mercenary game once where I was the intrepid commander of a Sheridan. It went pretty well
As for what I can find about the M3 37mm gun and it's M6 variant, it shot really, really fast. Had a semi automatic breach and in Europe. There isn't a tank you'll be penning with it so best stick it to infantry support. Which is why it apparently had canister shot and the like.
Big fan of it's flamethrower variant though.
Also, if you could put your tankers in the Roster thread, same situation as before but with backgrounds for the TC. I would be much obliged
The M551A1 also had a canister round for anti-personnel use. It was basically a big shotgun round, with 10,000 flechettes packed into the round. The M60A1 used a Beehive round, with flechettes again, but it had a ranging factor, so that you could set it to detonate as far out as 2800 yards. At that point, the target in front of the round got saturated with flechettes. Nasty stuff!
So we have 3 "tanks" that can do Infantry support. Also Mike I know you don't mean "Main Battle Tank" by us Jackson's so I'll Assume MBT is going to stand for "Master Boomstick Tracked"
Although I think the Jackson may have as much armor as a Leopard 1 so there's something.
Also Roger GM, post will come soon. Hopefully
Just confirming I'm taking off. Be nice to my interim GM replacement.
Rebecca, I leave the sim in your hands
Good luck and godspeed of course.
I've already said my more sappy goodbyes in person so I'll keep the tearjerkers off the forum.
So, I did a bit of a change.
I'm now playing Lieutenant Anthony Washington, formerly of the 761st "Black Panthers" tank battalions Scout company. Crewing the Hellcat "Midnight Marauder"
(Moved from main location)
OOC - Goodin's M5 should be an M5A1... will get you a vehicle name soon.
Thanks for moving that.
On another note if anyone has any positions they'd like to take within the company. IE: Sergeant drake as our supply sergeant. Let me know now
S/Sgt Goodin is a great scrounger and has proven himself over time as a wiz with land navigation. He is able to read terrain extremely well, and to find the best way through the landscape to reach an objective. While moving through an area, or if they have halted somewhere and waiting to proceed, he is adept at identifying and seizing opportunities that present themselves to acquire items that make life better for his crew.
I'm not sure what non-combat position he would hold. As a TC, that would be his area of concentration and skills.
He could be Intelligence, being a Cav scout. Although I suppose that's the whole platoon's non combat job. Being recon and all.
Also my TC is a former Stuart Commander, but his crew is made up of guys from across the segregated regiments. Also we're green as Spinach.
Last edited by IronForte (2017-03-18 23:35:10)
I concur with Iron. Intel would be a good second speciality.
So, when do we start?
Kinda losing my spirit here GM
We'll get started when the other half of the platoon submits their characters in full.
So far you and Donna are in the lead.
Thank you for the opportunity to re-engage in this tank sim, but I believe I'm going to withdraw before you get it started. Best of luck to all players!
While I would normally say something optimistic.
I'm gonna probably drop because I'm starting something else.
So who is still here then.
i'm i guess. sorry for not having up my bio for the US crew.
something IRL came up, something involving an old time Ff (because GF would be wrong on so many levels in the context) anyways, not only this, IRL got in the way big times for me >_< kind off
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