Topic: Questions about the 2013 Phoenix awards

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I wonder if someone could collate some figures for the year, like sim post averages, player post totals for the year, that sort of thing, to help in nominations?

Ash

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I wonder if Euan could pull this from the DB easily?

What do you mean by 'sim post averages'? Player post totals / sims they posted in?

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Jason Andersen wrote:

I wonder if Euan could pull this from the DB easily?

What do you mean by 'sim post averages'? Player post totals / sims they posted in?



^^^^^^ What he asked! smile

Total player post for the entire year? Or just Per player per sim they play in?

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Yeah, I dunno, just some statistics like that to take into consideration. :-)

Ash

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Deb asked this question in the nominations thread:

...Nick Buchanan (though he has left! - can I still nominate him?)

This is an interesting question. While my initial gut reaction is "no", there is history of people leaving and then coming back. Also, if someone does a stellar job all year, but then leaves, why should they not be recognized?

So, unless someone can come up with a compelling argument to the contrary, I think I'd say "Yes" to this question.

-Jason

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I'd like it to be a yes. :-)

Ash

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In response to this statement I made:

How many people typically vote? If we get less votes then people being voted for, the candidates may need to be broken into groups. For example, there are 13 people nominated for Player of the Year. If we only get 15 voters, we may want to consider breaking those 13 into 3 or 4 groups, so that it is more likely voting isn't spread out so much as to make the results useless. A "primary" of sorts.

The idea here is to narrow the lists down to 3-4 candidates, who are then put to a final vote/decision process to determine the winner.

Misty said this:

Maybe have rounds of voting? Top so many move on...

To which I respond:
Yes, my thoughts exactly. The first round (or 'primary' or whatever it would be called) would narrow the list.

If we could turn the voting around quickly enough, I'd rather do something like have 2 rounds of initial voting "round robin" style - the first two round we'd take the top half of "winners" and put them together, as well as the "losers" together, and vote again with the candidates reshuffled into the different groups. The final round of voting would be to decide the final outcome of candidates. In this way, if candidate C was in with candidate A and B in group 1, they wouldn't necessarily be eliminated if they were the strongest amongst all of those in group 2. I could see the voting getting tedious this way, though, so maybe it would be better to just have a "march madness" single elimination tournament type of style. wink

One other thing that bears discussion - previously I had mentioned taking that final 3 or 4 candidates and having a committee decide the winner (the way we used to do it). This committee would be made up of people who are NOT the final candidates (since this has been a problem in the past). The idea was to try to mitigate potential favoritism that can result from a simply anonymous polling of the membership (Candidate A has 1 friend on Phoenix, Candidate B has 10 friends... B wins because his/her 10 friends vote for him/her, when A was truly the better RPer/GM/SL/whatever).

This does add additional overhead and time expense of those who serve on the 'committee'. What do others think about this? Is a simple membership poll enough that we are confident the 'correct' decision will be made, or do people think the final selection committee to be a better solution? Or do you have your own solution I have not proposed here?

-Jason

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Sorry, I didn't even think about posting here to being with! For Player of the Year, I think I counted 13 nominated.... I'm thinking that we might be lucky if we have about that many actual members that post on a regular basis... but anyways. I was thinking, and I am not quite sure if it would work, but have the whole list listed, for round 1 and then take the top so many for round two and let folks vote again. Or take half of the list for a vote in round 1, the other half in round two and then the top 2-3 for round three. A lot of voting, I know, but if would give the membership a say in who actual wins. (and on that note, I think that most everyone here would truly vote without bias instead of for their friends, and whatnot)

Or....March madness.... divide the nominees up in groups of two and let members vote?

I believe having the winners (not just player of the year, either) being chosen by the members could be something good for the community, site, in general.

Toss this out there since I just noticed that Sim of the year has a big list, also..... Possibly determining the winner by using the SSR for the year. And then have a voting for a fan favorite, or something of the like.

Last edited by Misty Diamond (2014-03-19 17:15:43)

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I'm thinking more of a instant run-off would be faster and more efficient.

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SSR is just a measure of sim activity, not strength of the sim. A sim that is designated 'slow' by SSR standards could still be the best sim on the site in terms of quality.

I do believe we have a rank choice option for the voting, I seem to recall we've used it in the past. That does seem to be a great alternative (and only needs a single ballot). Good call Osprey.

What about opinions on having a selection committee for the top 3-5 after the ballot, or simply awarding the #1 with the title and forego any kind of committee this year?

-Jason

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The Comittee is a bit much, have it be a run-off with the top person getting the title. Try for a 50% +1 vote majority.

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Rank choice voting?

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Yeah, I think if we go rank choice we'd only need the single ballot, and not need the runoff.

Ok, now we just need a ballot...

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So this is where voters rank their top three or something?

Ash

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No, they would rank everyone, the same as we've done in previous ballots. It would use the rank-pair voting that we used for the last TC election (I was just calling it wrong). Robert had a great explanation/discussion here:
http://www.phoenix-rp.com/viewtopic.php?id=1500

I also had a little birdy point out that we already had some discussion about the award selection, but nothing was finalized: http://www.phoenix-rp.com/viewtopic.php?id=1441

Since we are getting towards the end of March, and having finalists and such with a committee/awards rubic etc could be time consuming, I would like to go with the simple rank-paired voting - if results at the top are fairly close (within a few percentage points or whatever), we can eliminate some below and re-vote, but let's start with the initial vote first.

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Just wondering when they'll be posted...since Monday was the last day of voting for them.

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Posted!

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