Topic: New simming wiki forthcoming

Following on from this thread, I thought I'd share news that a new wiki site is going ahead, has a URL, the graphics are coming along with a stately-like library theme and font, and I'll hopefully have more news over the next couple of weeks.

Ash

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Uh, what's the URL, Ash? smile

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I'll share it when it's ready. :-)

Ash

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Oh, I see, it's already "exclusive". So much for community openness. sad

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I'm sure your involvement's still welcome! Just email Charles Star to say you're interested. I'm just posting updates as and when Charles emails them on the progress he and whoever has offered themselves to help him design the website are making.

I think that's fair enough: if you don't get involved, you can't really complain about not being involved when someone else brings you news... :-p

Here's the post with the contact info: url=http://www.phoenix-rp.com/viewtopic.php?pid=39940#p39940

Ash

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I'll reserve my right to complain, thank you very much! Even if I choose to ignore your sensible explanation and willingness to help me get involved. tongue

I was just mostly curious to take a peek at the progress. Unless they have a position open for "Critique-er and general all around pain in the arse", I doubt I could take on much more than that. smile

-Jason

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They absolutely do! In fact Charles asked specifically for such a person. My thoughts turned to you. :-p

Seriously, though, they could use any input you can offer. Email Charles!

Ash

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Is this ready yet? Can we have a link now?

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spsblue wrote:

Is this ready yet? Can we have a link now?

This thread here is discussing the same situation but as you'll see if you read posts since Ash's last post here (April 19th), this "new simming wiki" is probably not happening now.

Here's a link to the first post after April 19th so you can get caught up more quickly: http://www.phoenix-rp.com/viewtopic.php … 815#p41815

~Robert

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I wouldn't say it isn't happening - the way I read Ash's statements is that it's a possibility that it might not happen, but given the situation it's going to be difficult to please everyone.

Time will tell, but at this point, there is no new wiki yet.

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Yeah, Jason's is a good summary. I hope it won't happen because I hope SimEnc can be reformed, but I'm not optimistic, so this is still an open question as Charles Star, Chas Hammer, and others continue wrangling.

Ash

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Ah, I didn't realise this was related to the SimEnc issue.

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Yeah. The long and short of it is that SimEnc has been the online RP community's sole wiki for some time, and late last year Charles Star, then SimEnc's Editor in Chief (and contributor of over 60% of its content) was banned by SimEnc's Board of Directors for breaking their rules, but no clarification was given as to what rule he'd broken. He argued his case for about three months and eventually SimEnc admitted they'd banned him because they feared he was going to break their rules, not because he actually had broken their rules, and they had no actual proof that he was going to.

The root of the problem essentially was that Charles wanted a genuine community wiki that anyone can contribute to, while members of the Board of Directors had imposed several policies preventing anyone from being able to post articles about anything other than themselves or their own sims. They'd had some trouble when someone posted something about someone else which the subject person objected to and had either threatened to or actually tried to sue SimEnc for the content under DMCA.

Where we are now is SimEnc seems to retain its aversion to providing a proper open wiki, while Charles continues to champion such a wiki. Either SimEnc will admit him and his supporters back into their fold and reform, or Charles and his supporters will start a new wiki. I am supporting Charles in whichever of these endeavours he achieves. The delay is really with SimEnc, who want to prevent any competition wiki from opening, and also don't want to let Charles back at their own helm because they don't want to go in the direction he does.

Ash

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Ash has asked me to post this...

http://www.simmingleague.com/wiki/index … =Main_Page

SimEnc are pasting their content to http://roleplay.wikia.com/wiki/Homepage and closing down the simming league wiki.

I don't see how they'll be able to prevent people from adding to articles or editing them on a wikia, so I can't see how they'd stop people from treating the content as open source or from doing anything else that Charles Star got banned and defamed for on SimEnc.

In short, I don't see what they (Chas Hammer and the SimEnc board) are gaining from this. They're giving up their control of the content and the power they had to punish people for editing it. It feels to me like Chas is migrating the content as a swan song, one last project, and then withdrawing. I wonder how others on the SimEnc board will react when the roleplay wikia doesn't follow their very restrictive requirements, the bizarre 'subject specialist' rules and the like that they imposed on the SimEnc wiki? Take legal action against Jimmy Wales like they did against Charles Star...?

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Interesting development... the drama continues! smile

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I've discovered that our page on SimEnc was deleted when Chas Hammer removed all of Charles Star's edits... can someone help set this up please?

- GC

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I thought they had put it all back. Can we just get it undeleted?

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I don't think so... sad

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Well poo.

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Change of plan - we're all now going to this wiki.

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Wait, what? Is SimEnc done now, then?

Edit: SimEnc main page explains it:
http://www.simmingleague.com/wiki/index … =Main_Page

Is Charles going to be contributing there as well, or is he setting up his own wiki still, I wonder?

Further edit:
SimEnc main page still points to roleplay wikia, when it is now role-play wikia, which is what the "change of plan" Silent mentioned was, I believe, since we already knew SimEnc was going away several posts ago...

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By the way, there is a talk page where Yatula (role-play wikia admin) is asking for feedback. You can leave any comments you may have here:
http://role-play.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Yatalu/Merge

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Jason Andersen wrote:

Further edit:
SimEnc main page still points to roleplay wikia, when it is now role-play wikia, which is what the "change of plan" Silent mentioned was, I believe, since we already knew SimEnc was going away several posts ago...

Yes, that's correct.

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I'll ask Charles for an update.

Ash

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Here's the new collaborative wiki's URL: http://www.roleplaywiki.com/

Ash

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